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Bird-taur proportions guide by Deericious Bird-taur proportions guide by Deericious
NOTE: Applicants/Members who have ALREADY COMPLETED their character sheet before now will not be required to re-draw their sheets at this point in time.
However, any future artwork (other than art of their humanoid or animal forms) will have to follow this general guideline.
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SO, the submissions of bird-taurs into Skeo so far have not been meeting our standards for 'taur' characters and instead looking more like harpies or faun proportions.
Understandably, avian proportions are a little harder to translate into a taur style of body, so I have gone and made up the basics of how the animal and human parts should be divided.
Of course, other avian features on the human part are acceptable as well as variations in the proportions provided are understandable for the varying types of birds.

If you are still having trouble due to a particular type of bird, feel free to send a note to the club and we can help you figure it out~

[Also pardon the fairly quick drawn reference; if this is too vague to understand comment and I shall make a clearer version]
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:iconotterlore:
Otterlore Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool :D It's like a harpy!
I like where the wings are placed. More anatomically correct.
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JEDI-Sheng Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2011
Wow!
Okay while I know you just came up with this, I was skimming by in a search for 'taurs' and hit this and I have to say it's really cool to see a Kinnara like this!
You really mad the proportions work artistically and fairly well anatomically too! (it's hard to balance a human torso on ANYTHING)
My sincere compliments! and while I know you didn't MEAN it to be one, my thanks as a fan for drawing such a wicked Kinnara! ^^
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0ArmoredSoul0 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Holy crap, and I was JUST looking for something like this!
:D
You are a godsend.
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:icondeericious:
Deericious Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010  Student General Artist
Glad that it is useful, since that's what it's for~
Good luck!
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0ArmoredSoul0 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Heh, thanks, I'll make sure to post up my finished pieces and link them when I get the chance.
Solly-Eagle, HO!!!
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QtheXman Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2010  Hobbyist
Spiffy!
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DragonPud Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i'm confused. I would think if someone wants their bird taur to look similar to a harpy, they should have that freedom, yet? I mean, it's their character. :{

Just trying to understand this. It looks awkward to me lol
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:icondeericious:
Deericious Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010  Student General Artist
Mm, the reasoning is that it is a taur club, involving human from head to waist, then animal body from shoulders to feet. Harpies do not follow this anatomy, therefore not technically a taur.
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DragonPud Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
very true. sometimes i still think of taurs as just half animal, half human and not separating the fact that it needs to be completely animal from the human waist down. :} thanx for clarifying.

I do have a -taur question, tho. My taurs tend to have the head of said animal still. The only human part would be the torso and arms. That's still -taur enough, yes?
example --> [link]
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:icondeericious:
Deericious Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010  Student General Artist
Well, technically it goes against our taur guidelines, but feel free to run it by the other mods too if you're really keen on trying for that~
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blessedmuzic Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2010  Hobbyist
question!!
what if the type of bird does
not have long legs proportion
to the human legs???
Example is a Swallow..
i'm gonna make one...
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FeatheredDragon Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Student General Artist
GAH now I want to make a bird character!!
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stargliderx Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010
I think it works better when the bird part is bigger and closer to horizontal, e.g. [link] Certainly the weight distribution would be too far forward, and the wings too small, for the sketched character to fly.
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Deericious Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Student General Artist
Technically if these beings were going to fly, the wings would have to be ludicrously enormous and the human skeleton hollow boned and likely look anorexic rather than keeping the muscle mass a human would have; not to mention the spine would not likely bend where the two creatures are 'joined' to make room for the wings to stretch up higher on the back between both halves..
Though I am aware the wings would still need to be larger on the sketches. Really, it's just a guide on where to divide things if people in the club are having issues not making harpies/faun style designs.
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stargliderx Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2010
Large wings aren't actually a pre-requistite for flight. Jet aircraft are huge but have proportionally quite small wings. The problem is, with small wings you have to maintain a high airspeed to get the same lift. For cruising flight, that means a higher power output (engine or muscle). For takeoff, it means you have to be able to run faster (including having more space to do so), find a higher cliff, or have so much power-to-weight that you can replace some of the wing lift with direct thrust.

Birds already have about the best power-to-weight that normal earth biology can offer, but you can fudge it with aliens, genetically engineered creatures and magic. For example, assume the bones are laced with organic nanotubes and the muscles use direct chain contractions instead of all that messing about with ATP and mitochondria, and you can easily get the x2 to x3 power-to-weight improvement you need for reasonably proportioned bird taurs. They're just going to need a lot of space to take off and land.

I wasn't really implying all that in my comment though. For normal artistic purposes, most humans tend to ignore scaling problems, so aesthetically you just want a wing/body ratio comparable to a mid-sized bird and an approximate visual balance in the amount of mass ahead of and behind the wings.
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Deericious Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2010  Student General Artist
Jet aircrafts aren't organic creatures..but all points.
The thing is, while facinating all the theoretical ideas are, you are lecturing a piece of reference art that already notes the irregular proportions of the sketches due to their quickly drawn nature and the fact that they are purely for division and placement purposes.
While it is very true that the body and wings would likely be much larger aesthetically and there are many many issues with having this creature actually fly; it would be much more useful to draw up your theories and reasoning on a piece of artwork designed to discuss such matters, rather than write them here.

Thankyou for the time and interesting perspectives, but this isn't really the place for theories and debate.
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silverbeam Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
So their wings have to be on their butt? They cant be along their arms?
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:icondeericious:
Deericious Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Student General Artist
You can always add feathers to the human arms as well; but following the style of a taur the wings would be on the back of the animal body
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scythequeen Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2010
Random added question here, even with added feathers they still have to be human arms correct? They can't be a separate set of wings in addition to the ones on the animal half.
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Deericious Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2010  Student General Artist
Well, it's an interesting question considering the anatomy of bird wings is very similar to an arm as it is..So there is a fair bit of leniency in that but as taur proportions go they still have to count as 'arms' and not 'wings'
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scythequeen Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2010
Gotcha, thank you.
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:iconsilverbeam:
silverbeam Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
well, at least I haven't finished mine yet, should be fun to start over.
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SeaDragon06 Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I was starting to wonder how it would work, this looks actually really good proportionwise.
I think this makes me want to make a bird taur if I ever make another chara.
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Flaming-Scorpion Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2010  Student General Artist
I have some concerns and I sent a note to the club, but I'm not entirely sure if it actually sent or not.
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Animated-Fox Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2010
That actually looks less awkward than I thought it would. Would a Bat-taur have similar proportions?
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Deericious Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2010  Student General Artist
Bat-taurs would likely be very similarily proportioned - from having a wyvern-taur character in the past I found the best way is to have them walking on the 'knuckles' of the wings and back legs.
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Animated-Fox Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010
Hrmm... I want to try this out now; I'm rather fond of bats. I would imagine a chiropterataur would actually have stronger, heavier back legs than what bats usually seem to have (maybe closer in design to a ground mammals), on the notion that they would need the extra muscle to hold their weight while upside down and also that they might actually spend some time on the ground right-side-up.
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